Divine Wardens, Umisachi & Yamasachi
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12 By Implosion#8348 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) SACHI HUNTS!!! KIRIN'S A RUNT. Heres why. Simple addition time. Their new atk power is 1251 assuming no pluses (seriously? At 99 thats never going to happen) Lets say you activate them and you happen to match four wood and four water. Water becomes 1251*(5 times combo, duh)*2.25 from awakening*25. Four orbs no buff 140737 atk power on just water alone wood is 42221 All said, nearly 200k on just him, JUST HIM! 2 sachis is obvious 400k Maybe a marine rider, why not? 620k Thats three monsters and 620k damage. You cant forget the sub element! Hes better than Kirin because of damage output and rcv, but if your ever in trouble from a hit just reduce that sucker. Good subs include Extend time (perfect for lining up 4 orbs) Yomi (have fun jerry) Anubis (carefull with his active) Lilith (careful with the health) Durga (new awakenings are sick) sarasvati (killer active). If there are any more please tell me. 2 TPA (massive damage potential stats may suffer) All riders, Marine, Grypps, Arthur are great (watch your health, its not that high, orb change is awesome!) D/L Kouryuu Fagan (cost is fun, so are materials) Athena (This cost is like a bunny, nice and furry, but with sharp pointed fangs) Green Zhuge Liang (hes pretty fun) Zeus Statios (watch rcv its not that high) Ult beelzebub (okay if you have half these im probably not helping much) 1TPA (these guys gove great longevity) Ult orochi (might give you a delay too) Ult Susanoo (five turns for free, then maybe orochi too) Durga (boy is she great) Mech dragon ult Hodor (Hodor Hodor Hodor!) Mech thingie Canopus (both actives are pretty bad) G/F Cu Chu (lots of green) Mystic Knight Zeal (holy crap lots of green) Hanzo (and now lots of dark) Tons of others (these guys just have some useful things, stats, buffs, reduce, delay, time) Healers (talk about longevity now) GrOdin (hahgahahahha, he might as well be, real ones to follow) L metatron (bind clear maybe?) B metatron (type coverage maybe?) Sun quan (not a girl! But stil SHE gives a great active, delay and stat buff) Sandolophin (having fun? Youll survive knowing forever that she is worse than Sun quan, except she has a sub element) Shynee (watch your stats, and your confidence, this thing is only good for one turn) L Valk, B Valk, G valk, and um.... Oh yeah D and F Valk (farm goddess and heros to max skill the good ones, take two aspirin and sleep to skill the other two) Kushinada (Stats, active, awakenings, what is she missing? Oh yeah a real sub element) Raphael (Your call, your funeral) Echidna (Pick a team and stick with it already, youre everwhere!) Siren (someone needs to grow up and just clear the board) Alraune (Loyal till the end, maybe bind clear) Archangel (definetly just bind clear) Lilith (yeah use the awakenings and the full type coverage to your advantage) Lakshima (hahahahhahahah, ih wait, shes actually relevant. B/B isis (bind clear and health, lord knows healers need that) Significant others Eternal twins Idunn&Idunna (Healer, Buff, benefits, twins, ehat more do you want?) U/Y (great orb change awakenings and stats, almost like they were made for a sachi team) Stat sticks (mostly health) Grodin (okay) Blodin (sure) Coo coo, ca coo coo, ca coo coo Cu Chu! (The health is nice) Siegfried (fried amd ready to assinate your enemy or your rcv.) Satan (why not, we want health) Noah (fine you can have some rcv) Lucifer (how about a better nuke?) Piccolo (why not the best nuke) Android (Female dog please) Hrugnir (Its clobbering time) Beelzebub (Has the devil put aside for me?) Hades (Yes) Gravities (okay why do you need these guys?) Hera Hera-is (real creative) Kirin (you belong to me) Zeus (im back) Fagan (me too) Hades (Party) Zaerog (hey guys) Pirate Zaerog (ew) Buffs (you dont need them) My team Sachi (Finally back to me) Marine Rider, bard robin (and he will be eaten, and there will be much rejoicing) Grypps (zzzzz) Fagan (I'm back in sattle again) Athena or grodin (Tons of attack or longevity) Sachi (i'm sailing away, Set an open course! For the monster sea.because ive got to beat Pad, better than Kirin, ever had before. In this game im the captain, so climb aboard! We'll beat Kirin's records! On every score. And ill try, oh lord, ill try to catch them all) I know that i'm the very best. Like no one ever was! To catch the monsters, is my real test, to beat kirin is my cause! Sachi wins! I will spelunk into every dungeon getting orb trolled far and wide, just trying to understand, the monsters deep inside! Sachi wins! Its me and me, i know its my destiny! Ohh im my best friend, in a world monsters cant defend. A skill so true, my sub element will pull us through, orb troll me and ill change you Sachi wins, Sachi wins! Last edited by Implosion 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) 7 Guest#51740 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Now he can dish out more damage than Kirin, has just as easy of a time using utility subs, and can take advantage of Sandalphon/SQ. GG no contest 0 0never#28808 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Here's a table I made for double TPA damage on U&Y, for just his main blue element. - All blue orbs are assumed to be enhanced just to simplify the caulculations. It's 80% between the leaders already anyway. - U&Y is assumed to have +99 ATK eggs. Everyone serious about U&Y will have the leader +egged. - Formula is 25*(1+(# of combos-1)*0.25)*(# of sets of blues*1.25*2.25*1.24)*1748 -^ The 2.25 is from double TPA (1.5*1.5), the 1.24 is from enhanced orbs (1+0.06*4) Combos Sets of 4 Blues Damage 4-------- 1------------------ 266707 5-------- 1------------------ 304808 6-------- 1------------------ 342908 6-------- 2------------------ 685817 7-------- 1------------------ 381009 7-------- 2------------------ 762019 8-------- 1------------------ 419110 8-------- 2------------------ 838221 8-------- 3------------------ 1257331 9-------- 2------------------ 914423 9-------- 3------------------ 1371634 9-------- 4------------------ 1828845 With SQ or Izanagi enhance just 2x those numbers, with I&I 1.5x. For orb changed spikes not all of the orbs will be enhanced so you will get slightly lower damage (by 12-16% on average). However you're probably going to be matching 3x4 or something with an enhance so stuff will die anyway. U&Y / U&Y / Sun Quan / Sun Quan / Yomi / U&Y should be a pretty cool team. Double enhance, double delay + CTW, lots of orb-change for burst, and 3 monsters with double TPA. U&Y orbchange + CTW on 50x will basically 1 shot the boss. Last edited by 0never 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 8 By Kitt#16560 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) What with all the debate? The only one who concern about comparing Kirin and U&Y are those that rolled both, if you rolled U&Y then use U&Y (same if you rolled Kirin then use Kirin). The question come when you already have one and rolled another. Assuming you already maxed one of them, is it worth train another? Last edited by Kitt 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 1 Umi Yama converts fire orbs into water orbs. 0 But if you have both Kirin and U&Y, there are v.good reason to keep one un-evolve. Since both Kirin and U&Y have 20 cost on 1st form, they are potential leader for Xuanzang Descended! (20 cost restriction) -3 Greg!#39904 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Just thought of this now... U&Y is a possible sub for Kirin, as he fills in two required colors already. Maybe just bring along a Red Heartbreaker, or Orb Changer (Gigas, maybe). Kirin can also be a possible sub for U&Y, but she'll only be filling up one required color for U&Y. Who says they can't work together? 6 By Yummy#52738 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Totally stoked with them being healer does that mean they will get devil sub like Bastet on next Ult evo ? And I have been wondering are they twins? Best friends? Notice they are holding hands in this Ult evo! Kyaaaa! They are so protective of each other. >\\\< 14 you know you've made a weird comment when Jerry thinks its weird 1 Wow I always though they were best friends and Yama as a run away princess. Because umisachi was just a low ranked hunter their love could not have been accepted by yamas father. Well that's what I thought. Meh. Im still glad they are healers doe. Healers need more love. 0 \g#3302 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Umisachi and Yamasachi are brothers, Umisachi being the elder. You can see the clear age difference in one of the pre-evos. 3 By BazBiscuit#9946 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I expected U&Y to be balanced but I'm not unhappy with them being Healer. I have Sun Quan which works well with them, or one could stick with a God team including Izanagi. Works out better than being reliant on King Bubblie and Woodsie all the time. Either way their ult is a decent improvement if just for the extra 2 prong and stat boosts Last edited by BazBiscuit 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 0 Momo#55572 4 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) The type/subtype almost always accounts for the stats. U&Y by that very virtue befits a healer more than balanced because of the notable RCV. Balanced monsters tend to be more jack-of-all-stats relative to other similarly tiered monsters (i. e. not as much HP as Physical, not as much ATK as Attacker, or not as much RCV as Healer). -5 xKquick#33807 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) They could have used Green Zhuge had they been attacker. Which also happens to have 2 2 Prongs. Would have been considerably better then giving him this typing. 1 By Pacman#43122 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Lets say you enter some super hard descend dungeon with a U&Y team. You use the high recovery to stall for skills on round one, then blast through the next few rounds with the 25x attack. If anything gives you trouble, just match 4 blue orbs for a 56x attack. Then you get to the boss, who has insanely high health, does a 100k damage on a one turn timer, and puts down a preemptive status effect shield. Lets assume that your team consists of: U&Y (lead) Blue heart-breaker (Valk is best, but Siegfried is a farmable alternative) Change the world user (ECO Tiny Alma is farmable if you don't roll a Yomi or Venus) King Shynee (easily farmable) Blue orb enhancer (Wadatsumi is farmable, and nice if you still need a dark attribute) U&Y (friend) All of these except U&Y are farmable. Now use all skills: change heart to blue, use U&Y to change red to blue, enhance water orbs, 3x healer attack, and change the world. I'm going to assume you get four blue 4-orb matches, plus 3 other color matches, and that you trigger the leader skill. Damage for max level no plus U&Y's blue attribute is: 1251 (base attack) x 12.5 (combos and orb matches) x 25 (leader skills) x 3 (king Shynee) x 2.25 (double 2-prong) x 1.96 (16 enhanced blue orbs) = 5,172,103 damage!!! That's over 10 million for just the leads, so imagine the whole team's damage output! In comparison, Zeus Descended has less than 4 million health. Sorry to all you Kirin users out there, but U&Y are the best. Last edited by Pacman 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 1 Greg!#39904 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I still believe that it's dependent on the dungeon. Here are a few scenarios where Kirin still has her advantages: • Element of boss/Dungeon - Light element has no weakness, and Kirin team is built around Light • Minimal HP requirement - Kirin is physical, so it's easier to fulfill the requirement • Stalling - U&Y have less HP, so stalling may be a problem, depending on how hard enemies hit I'm sure there are more scenarios. But then again, like I said in previous comments, I don't wanna end with the conclusion that one is better than the other. They both have their Pros and Cons. One can outshine the other in some areas, vice versa. 1 By Anon#24960 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1MdfJM7tn8 Here's an example of the uvo's power. It's not exactly a "cheap" team though. One thing to note is that JP apparently got new effects for two-pronged's activation. Last edited by Anon 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 1 By gargoyle#45619 5 years ago ( 7.1.2 ) Tomorrow, Tomorrow We'll evolve you, tomorrow You're only a day away! 1 By Nirumi#57456 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) You can see exactly how each character grows and matures and it's great 1 By Nemesis#54843 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) I don't understand the infighting. Whether you wreck shop with U&Y or tank and attack with Sakuya, they're both amazing leads with different attributes and uses who can clear almost any dungeon. There is absolutely no way to determine which one is objectively "better" overall, and that's how it should be. 1 By Grantastic#66521 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) My guess is UY aren't attacker subtypes because them and GZL as each other's subs would just be unreal, but the healer subtype is cool regardless with access to SQ and the much less significant Sandalphon 1 By Legend7Nat#59948 4 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) Just going through the bottom of the thread here because everybody complained in the past about healer is the worst. no two pronged healer no good dark healer. Well now that's changed 0 By Jerry@LL#10976 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) i dont believe that many healers will do much for a u&y sisters like this. i was not hoping for healers i was hoping for a new subtypes ALIENS -4 Charles#28413 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Do u just say random shyt and think ur cool? Well then I have one word to describe u. DINGLEBERRY 0 By Inagaki#26667 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I really love the design but I would had prefered a subtype Attacker type instead of healer. ._. 0 By -Striku-#37071 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) ITS HERE! Fear the wonder twins with their double twin TPA!!! Last edited by -Striku- 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) 0 By erachima#49838 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) The ult. title explains the type choice: "Divine Guardians of the Fisher and Hunter", emphasizing their role in blessing those endeavors rather than their own skill at hunting. 0 By -Striku-#37071 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) This evo is amazing! Stats: 100+ RCV should fill in with low RCV subs like war deity tsukuyomi or orochi Type: new healer subtype makes me want to get sun quan! Awoken skills: two prong skills means 2.25x attack on umi/Yama! Not to mention a skill boost and enhance orbs to go along with it! (Wish that the enhance water orbs was a skill bind resist skill) These buffs combined with umi/yama's leader and active skill really does make them the wonder twins!!! Last edited by -Striku- 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 0 Anon#24960 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I know you can just use them anyway, but Yomi and Orochi don't synergize well with U&Y anymore after the uvo. Yes, they're still good enough so that you'd want to save some room for them, but the fact that you'll want a few more healers means that you probably won't get to use the exact same team as before. 0 By quadi#22332 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Back to kirin vs umiyama, imo it should be happen to conversely, kirin shoud be healer and umy physical. anyway i think kirin ult still better (better awakening, stat, active...) 0 AquaMarine#38606 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Switching the subattributes would be great but like way too OP. If I had physical monsters with 651 RCV... 0 By Frosty#26916 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) Everyone here is arguing about who's better, U&Y or Sakuya, but I'm just here, thinking, "Where even are Yamasachi's feet?" 0 By nathan@N17#37737 5 years ago ( 7.1.2 ) Lol unfortunately I'm the most hated person on here 0 Says the person replying to a comment almost a year ago. I didn't know this was still here. Congrats on keeping up with me. Would you like the autograph now..or later? 0 By Alex#49592 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Well, at least now I'll have something to use those Sacred Masks on. 0 By Skyknight#11392 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Those of you surprised and/or irritated by the hunter brothers being sub-Healer...Take a look at the comparative stat gauges on their "Gods of Hunt" version. Compared to other L6s, they have VERY high recovery, and slightly below average HP and attack. Getting the Healer type is really just a natural outgrowth of that stat formation. If you wanted balanced, it would only have been merited for a first ultimate if the gulf between recovery and HP/attack were markedly narrower. (That said, I need to take a look at Idunn to see how her stats relate to balanced and healer...) 1 igneus#43927 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Now Ra should get a healer subtype ;_;. Why GungHo be hating on Ra so much XD. 0 By 神up!朱雀殿#41439 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I think Umi & Yama got Healer subtype because shota is very "healing" (癒す) for some girl fans. Last edited by 神up!朱雀殿 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 0 By Secksay#47859 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I like how gungho is putting all these ancient masks for the requirements 0 By Christian#50778 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Sachi twins uvo into verSachi twins. Can't wait to uvo mine 0 By Karis7891#25478 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) I had one of these for a while, but getting two more of them at the REM left me a bit dumbfounded, since I have no idea what to do with them. Feeding them to my first one feels like a waste, but if there was a way to trade your monsters, I'm willing to exchange them for a Kushinada. 0 Pacman#43122 5 years ago ( 7.1.2 ) U&Y makes a really good sub for himself. Just stick them on your U&Y team. 0 By Zero#49722 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Does anyone know what the name for this translates to in English? :D rough translation? 0 By SidewaysTM#38740 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Can't wait for it to came to N/A I'm almost done maxing out stats. I just need to farm some more. I'm a bit surprised healer was added to U & Y regardless I'm still looking forward to it. 0 By ToyLeaf#54921 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) Possible name could be (blank space) Hunting Gods, Umisachi&Yamasachi or (blank space) Gods of Hunt The problem is the 護恵 (ごけい）go-kei - It's most likely not a name, but who knows :/ The problem here is that such combination of characters aren't common/used in Japan. 護(protect) 恵(compassion/giving) So the possible meaning of it would be like: Mutually Benefiting, Cooperative, Helpful, Supportive, Codependent, Interdependent, Accommodating, Compliant, Collaborative, Obliging, etc. It could even have a different type of meaning. LONG LONG LONG story short, just wait, and pray Gungho makes a smart decision on what to name it. Personally i think Interdependent Hunting Gods would make sense, since Umi and Yama are brothers and all(kinda sounds stupid, so MEH) Last edited by ToyLeaf 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) 0 By Nachoes#10575 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) I wonder if this team would work http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1297.99.1.99.99.99.7..1623.99.1.99.99.99.3..1568.99.1.99.99.99.3..694.99.1.99.99.99.3..1119.99.1.99.99.99.3..1297.99.1.99.99.99.7 Last edited by Nachoes 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 0 By Pichu#31298 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) For you to activate U&Y's double prong, do you have to exactly get one set of 4 orbs or can it be one set of 4+ orbs? Also, which would give a better damage output: have multiple sets of 4 orbs (assuming the prongs only apply to sets of 4 orbs), using BOdin's row enhance, or row enhance + prong? If row enhance + prong is the answer, can you also tell me which damage enhancer has the higher priority? Thanks in advance! Add me if you want to use my U&Y who has max stats (besides RCV). ID: 330, 385, 289 1 ToyLeaf#54921 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) You need exactly 4 orbs no less, no more. There's a specific amounts of row enhance you need to deal more dmg if you were to compare it with a having many "combos". Since rows = less combos So people usually stick with a row enhance specific team, and not mix them up. But its not like awoken skills are everything(though very very useful), you can always find possible mix ups for your own taste. Last edited by ToyLeaf 5 years ago ( 7.1.1 ) 0 By tarow#52576 5 years ago ( 7.1.2 ) so can we Ultimate these guys yet? Up top it says its not available yet 0 By kandjar#33833 5 years ago ( 7.1.2 ) It's been out in Japan for a while now... any idea when this will finally been available in the US???? 0 By memerylane#35197 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) UEVO LIVE FOR USA!!! Just did mine this morning and now have a pair of handsome male healers to keep Sun Quan company :) 0 By ToyLeaf#54921 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) YES! Finally its here xD Now all i need is Yomi for that time extender >_< 0 By dad#35950 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Seems people are over looking kitty bad shine as d/l heart maker healer sub with T/P attack. I'm looking at U&y x2 tpa Hatsume tpa Kitty badshine tpa /yomi/lilith (if needed) Sq Bvalk/i&i/bmeta U&y x2tpa Seems like more than enough options for a wonderful team. Now to sit and wait for wed to farm my masks. 0 By bew#19909 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) When they took a headshot picture together, they switched positions. 0 By gargoyle#45619 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) ...And shepherds we Shall be, for thee my lord, for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. IN NOMINE PATRIS ET FILII ET SPIRITUS SANCTI. -Boondock Saints Last edited by gargoyle 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) 0 By Shynee#11080 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Before, I never really cared about two-pronged attack. Ever since this update, I have been mesmerized by its activation and watching the attack boost. That's one of the reasons why I am evolving to this form. 0 By Yaseph#59631 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Trying to make a team. Currently im running U&Y Ult Ama D/D Hades LZL Kushi U&Y Thoughts? Farmable cards to go for? Some REM stuff i happen to have: B/B I&I B/B Isis GRonia Marine Robin GGY Astaroth Thanks 0 By Skyknight#11392 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Prototype idea for a full healer Yamasachi team. Too bad everything's from the REM... Leader: Umisachi Subordinates: --Sun Quan --Dill Sirius (dark two-prongs) --Heavenly Fortune Goddess, Lakshmi (7.2.2 will give her the ability to enhance water orbs, and she adds a precious half-second to your orb movement time) --Eternal Idunn (takes care of the light requirement, and gives you an extra way to enhance everybody but Dill while Sun Quan's on cooldown) Ally: Yamasachi EDIT: {grumble} Didn't think to look for two-prong awakenings on the other water characters. But that said, it's hard to find a good replacement for Sun Quan's active or Lakshmi's extra half-second of orb movement. So I wonder if Azure Maiden/Valkyrie Rain would be a better replacement for Idunn, since she DOES have a two-prong (two of them as Valkyrie Rain). Last edited by Skyknight 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) 0 By Jared#56518 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Got uber lucky during the last rare evo even in the PAL machine. Scored both sacred masks then realized I didn't have any more dubmythlits. Had to wait most of the week then it took 8 tries to get the drop. But the ult evo is mine and I am one happy guy haha! 0 By ToyLeaf#54921 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) A few questions about TPA, is just having one 4 orbs enough? Should i make as many 4 orbs or try to get a extra combo in with just 3(with just one pair of 4)? 1 Avelarius#60408 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) The more the merrier. They will only shoot twice but the damage will stack. The barrage of a full TPA mono team is a sight to behold. http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=50748&pid=531132#pid531132 and http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=50604&pid=527039#pid527039 0 By Vincent#41797 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) just got this from godfest two days ago it was my first roll Last edited by Vincent 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) 0 By ngrdix#6724 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) Have the UEvo materials ready to go, but he's not max leveled... should I max level him before UEvo or does it not really matter? 0 Vayle#59432 5 years ago ( 7.2.2 ) UEVO doesn't reset you or scale with your current level prior, so just do it if you can/want. 0 By Chnnoob#59015 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Having experienced all the x25 leaders, U&Y is definitely my favourite, and shall remain my main lead. Rolled Kirin, LKali, (and Durga on my alt), a while ago and none of their skills match to the versatility of U&Y's, maybe except LKali because she works on any rainbow team as a sub. But still, Kirin's grav isn't as useful as U&Y's Orb change and TPA. If I wanted gravity I would've used a Hera or Zeus as sub, 20% just isn't satisfying enough. Meanwhile, a nice combo on U&Y spikes them over 1 million just by themselves, not including the subs and helper, which totals the entire team around 5 million depending on my luck of skyfall and whether I used any TPA's. 5 million, that's a boss killer right there. Unfortunately though U&Y can be orb trolled when the active hasn't been used, so that's simply why I have my LKali on my team. U&Y is relatively easy to skill up, unlike Kirin and especially LKali. Overall, U&Y is just simply much more easy to use for all purposes. My current U&Y team, U&Y Ult-Ult Azure Valk L/R Kali D/D Lilith Chibi Valk (Helper U&Y) All fully awoken Last edited by Chnnoob 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 0 By blackreape#52851 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) i got a quick question, when you clear water wood light and dark orbs at the same time and do more combos in the same move after that does it only do a 5x? or does it 5x everytime a new combo comes out in the same turn after his leader skill has been met. 0 By Skyknight#11392 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) They now have a new friend from the west. Welcome the Blue-Winged Star Angel, Famiel. (#1829) 0 By StaticG#55158 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) U&Y Healer TPA Team Leader Divine Wardens, Umisachi&Yamasachi Subs Courageous Divine General, Sun Quan (with B/G Ult) Thorned Goddess, Valkyrie Elize (better than Dark Valk Ult Ult, as no sub type issue) Survivor of Krypton, Supergirl or warrior rose, graceful valkyrie (mini) Wild Card Options: Another U&Y, SQ, the angel that fills board with everything U&Y needs, LZL for heals and enhance or pretty much any other healer for TPA Friend Divine Wardens, Umisachi&Yamasachi Everything has at least one TPA. The B/G Sun Quan info was released today revealing he has a TPA and orb move time. Supergirl is a safety, she will guarantee two of the four orbs needed to be made, but Mini Light Valk or even Ult Ult Blue Valk are better if you don't need it. U&Y 2 TPA Ult Ult Valks (not light one) 2 TPA Supergirl 1 TPA or Mini Valk 3 TPA B/G Sun Quan 1 TPA So, you can make a good TPA healer team now, and the people saying there are no good dark healer with 2 TPA from 4 months ago can calm down now. My only concern is its excessive heart breaking. There are other options too, such as either Sirius for TPA, and Light Kali if you don't mind her having fire sub attribute. Last edited by StaticG 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 0 By jonshnow#62238 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) So the Japanese Gods are the best monsters in the game hrm? 0 Ea#30342 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) There's a lot that's good about many of the pantheons but there isn't a single team that can easily carry you through every dungeon. I'd say Egyptian gods are still the best in the game, but if you can't match orbs then they're useless to you. 0 By BWeb#62077 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) Any idea on why the leader skill won't count the light matches? I get a group of all 4 but the light atk doesn't light up and I don't get the 25xatk boost. Does it not work on some conditional dungeons?…nm I don't have any light monsters in my team. Dumb question. Carry on. Last edited by BWeb 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 0 Requious#29879 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) You need to attack with the color too. So you need a light monster on your team, main or sub element both work. They also cannot be bound. 0 By roflcopt0r#46531 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) The subtypes for U&Y (and Kirin for that matter) are so that they can fit onto other teams as subs, not so much that you can use a Bubblie/Shynee for spike damage. LIke others said earlier, comparing the two is not particularly relevant unless you rolled both of them because they are both very strong leaders. In light of that, I'd also say that even for people who rolled both of them, the one they want to train depends on their other monsters they have available. For example, U&Y doesn't really need orb changer subs because he's an orb changer, while Kirin is a little easier to load up on, say, a full skillbind resist team if the dungeon warrants it (like Wednesday Mythical). If you pulled a lot of healer monsters you can put U&Y on it as a sub 0 Skyknight#11392 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) Doesn't change how well they work with Dragon Sun Quan. Coming with a delay on top of the multiplier helps, though. Consider this team idea: *Umisachi Dragon Sun Quan Dill Sirius Cosmos Venus Famiel *Yamasachi Easy ways to get any of the elements needed (Famiel is effectively the light orb creator), delay+multiplier+time extend in Sun Quan, and Venus's active makes it easier to assemble two-prongs. Did I leave anything out? 0 By Freddy#34435 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) I've been really meaning to use U&Y but don't have the best subs (since she's really dependent on the right REM cards that I haven't pulled yet). So I was wondering if mini sun quan (1814) is a decent sub and replacement for the REM Sun Quan I don't have? My best subs for U&Y so far are Ult Siren, sun quan, ADK, Bastet, Ult Valk, Ult Athena, Sandalphon, Yomi, Hanzo, and Echidna. 0 By Deathoath#70183 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) I built a healer U&Y team mostly based on TPA UmiYama lead (blue green or changer, TPA (duh...) Chibi Valk (llight orb change, 3 Tpa xD) B/G Sun quan (2 times attack for healer+delay, Tpa, Time extend) Lkali (Orb refreash if you get orbtrolled, 2 TPA, time extend) Kurone (2 auto heal~1000) You end up with TPA on everyone but Kurone, You have 3 orb troll changes (U&Y, Kali, and Kurone/Valk combo), Kali and SQ give and extra second to move orbs, so i think its pretty good. There are still a few row enhances overall, but since i've tried it on a few descends it seems to have been working very well for me. 0 By ŞŦΔŘĐΔŦ€#64330 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) I'm unsure whether to save my green ancient mask for Kush's uvo or use it for UmiYama... decisions decisions.... 0 By Cookie Mon#69385 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) I thought he would be attacker because they are God's of the hunt 0 By Something#70407 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Should I save my green mask for Kushi's ult evo or use it on these guys? 0 By Mr.blunt#62326 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) Woot with the Shinra collab rem we have access to another dark/grass healer!! 0 By OmastarBC#39392 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) My setup is: UY President Luci Mini Tsukuyomi Arthur Flash UY Yes, it's kinda sloppy, but I really like the amount of TPA. Luci is only there for the stats, Dongs, and Attributes. Sometimes I switch it around and do this too: UY Mini Tsukuyomi Physical Karin Shin Arthur UY Karin and Shin's actives used as a combo give you the board you need and they both have TPA and Shin has the Time Extend that's very much appreciated. 0 By Vaedriel#74848 4 years ago ( 8.0.1 ) Just Ult Evo'd my U&Y today! Now I'm praying that one of the next few Godfests will give me a Yomi and either a Sarasvati or Lakshmi. For now my U&Y team consists of: U&Y Water Knight (ult evo) Wee Jas (ult evo) SD Ra (pending another Anglit for Ult Evo) MBB Zweihander U&Y (FL) One day Yomi and Sarasvati/Lakshmi will replace the W.Knight and Zwei. Last edited by Vaedriel 4 years ago ( 8.0.1 ) 0 By ?#38648 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) U&Y UUVO HYPE! 1.2x atk for God types when skill is used, just like Kirin UUvo :[ Last edited by ? 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 0 By SirOsis>>s#83264 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) Don't care for this at all as a lead, but as a sub for my Sarasvati, or Ryune mono water teams, I'll happily admit them to the pool. Last edited by SirOsis>>s 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) -1 By frenzy85#31511 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) This would've been so epic if the sub-type was attacker... Hanzo Athena D/D Batman D/L/G Rider Series G Zhuge Beelzebub The two-pronged attacker team would've been so dope. D/D Batman for delay is also decent. I am disappoint. -1 By ______#61773 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) All this talk about "who's better". Why not just put both of them together? Sounds strange at first because Kirin's active only gets 3 of the 4 types. However, if you grab yourself Rei Sirius (whose active changes entire left column into light), they synergize incredibly well. First, pop that Kirin then follow with the Sirius and wham, entire board is your playground. Although there is a minor possibility that, say, only three greens are formed and they all happen to be on the left column, the general power of U&Y's leader skill isn't hindered. I'd probably go with physical Kirin because of Umi's healer type and the common existence of other water healers. The only problem is probably Rei's weakness prior to evolution; however, after he evolves, he gets a nice double two-pronged just like Umi here. Let's not forget about the great physical Kirin awakenings either. If you've got the cost, this is definitely not a bad team. EDIT: This is sort of confusing, but I really meant "Use U&Y as lead and Kirin+Sirius as subs" Last edited by ______ 4 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 0 Daniel9dsi#71029 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) I think your talking about KARIN. The monster everyone is comparing UY to is KIRIN.. -2 By regi#49006 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) I'm mad that you can't run Echidna on this team. 1 gargoyle#45619 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) Sure you can. lots of people do. Just bc she's fire doesn't mean you can't use her on a U/Y team. 0 ?#38648 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) You can also use Sun Quan, which also gives a nice 2x Atk boost to U&Y now that they're healer-type. But not everyone has Sun Quan so you could always use Waron if you really wanted to. -3 By ダン#23290 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Are you kidding me? Kirin has much better stats, gravity, and an extra half second! UY gets a second + blue orbs and 2-pronged attack? Those are crap compared to extra time. 0 Funny considering about 90% of users who have u&y and yomi put her on the team or rely on yomi a lot. .....lol just a friendly jab 0 I personally have outgrown my Yomi (I can easily get 6 combos off the bat at this point.) However, stats and a skill bind resist are still nice to have (although to be honest it only saves my axe when I least expect it lol) -5 By TakeItEasy#29236 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Attacker subtype would have been infinitely better (Balanced? What for, some weird green-based team?) but I guess YamaP thinks it's too strong, unfortunately this removes any option of a type-based U&Y team other than really tacky nonsensical ones, and on top of that building Healer 2prong teams is impossible since the only relevant healers with 2prong are the ultra-rare Light Zhuge Liang and Hatsume which is useless on the team. Building off pure 2prong would probably be difficult but at least getting another 2prong makes it viable to an extent, though activating more than 1-2 colors' worth of 2prong is quite hard. The awakenings in general are good, was hoping for a bit higher stat boost I guess? Overall I'm a bit disappointed, but what can you do? I guess I'll just hope for another ult with attacker subtype when monsters and dungeons become absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for the downvotes guys, I appreciate it. Now if anyone wants to say a counterargument or something go ahead. Last edited by TakeItEasy 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) 0 Let the record show that even the pre-ultimate stats for Yamasachi had a higher-than-usual recovery stat for L6 creatures (and I think middling HP and attack). I was anticipating Healer subtype from the beginning. 0 That's pretty silly, just like at Archangel Michael who had his RCV almost as high as this monster's, he was made an attacker. The stats are added/reduced to match the type, not the other way. -2 xKquick#33807 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Exactly. If they wanted him to be a healer they should have at least given him rows. Instead they gave him another 2 prong which does not go well with current Healers whatsoever. Most U&Y teams will probably ignore the healer subtype and go with an Attacker team anyway or just go with Gods and use Izanagi as a sub. -6 By Guest#70633 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) Hey Umi and Yama, guess what? The ultimate golems have a higher base stat than you, are unbindable, have easy 3x leader skill, and easier to get. Lol 7 Grantastic#66521 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 1. The golems' higher base stat is entirely in their 5000 hp, they have 900-1000 ATK and 100 RCV 2. UY doesn't need to be unbindable when it can kill everything with two Two-Pronged Attacks 3. They have an active skill that synergizes well with their leader skill, and have access to tons of sub that make their leader skill a lot easier to activate than you think. 4. In my opinion, 3 Keeper of Golds are harder to get than both Ancient Masks. In fact, you know what I used to get the three Keepers to ult evo my Golems? UY, bursting 7 mil is a lot easier with 25x compared to 9x. Lol -11 By xKquick#33807 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) This post has been flagged as spam Show -2 -Striku-#37071 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) Healer subtype on umi/Yama makes sun quan or BMetatron teams powerful than ever -2 BMeta teams are INCREDIBLY rare and no one runs Sun Quan as a leader anymore so not necessarily. Not to mention blue healer teams are row based. -11 By Derpatato#17677 5 years ago ( 6.5.5 ) This post has been flagged as spam Show 0 -Striku-#37071 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) 4912 attack (+99 on attack) for every two proc orb match An active skill to make water orbs for the two proc. Not to mention a 1.24x boost if orbs are enhanced (6091). Did I forget the skill boost that gets them one turn closer to charging up their active? There's even that godly RCV enough to recover a huge chunk of hp. Your argument is invalid Last edited by -Striku- 5 years ago ( 7.2.1 ) 0 Subtype leaves a lot to be desired in terms of how well U&Y synergizes with healers, which tend to be row based, not 2-prong based. However, awakenings are definitely hard to argue with. Only one I really don't care for is the orb enhance since that sort of stuff is really negligible (although it does allow a flashy finisher if you just want to look cool.) |
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Kirin is meant to be sort of "Tanky". Physical sub-type means she has high HP. She surely can take a lot of high-damage hits for stalling, but healing back up would be a problem.
She's got Blind Resistance, Jammer Resistance, and Team Skill-Bind Resistance. Good for stalling, but less damage output in general (dependent on subs, that is).
U&Y, on the other hand, is meant to be a quick killer? (I feel like GungHo thought it would be too OP to make U&Y have an attacker sub-type) His active skill changes orbs, and he's got dual Two Pronged Attacks. Low active skill cooldown means stalling may not be as necessary. He can afford to get smacked in the face by low damage hits, but he can heal up right away, being a healer type. Good for dealing higher damage, especially with dual Two Pronged Attacks, but stalling/taking hits may be a problem.
Even as a Kirin-lover (my waifu), I don't wanna go all fanboy and say "KIRIN IS BETTER" or "U&Y IS BETTER" simply because they both serve their own respective purposes. They both have their own Pros and Cons.
I think U&Y and kirin are about equally balanced now. Kirin gets massive burst through Apollo, almost turning the board into fully light, but she lacks row enhances to make full use of that, and the fact that her sub-attribute is light as well makes it harder to have all the colours on your team if you're trying to get row enhances.
U&Y, however, has slightly lower burst because of orb change to two colours instead of one, but his power is doubled through the TPA. He can also make a row team through bodin, or a king slime-esque spike team through Sun Quan.
So in the end, it comes down to personal preference.
Look at some teams now?
U&Y Row team: U&Y/ DL Yomi/ Wadatsumi/ Bodin/ Bodin/ U&Y. 7 Row enhances and enhanced blue orbs through wadatsumi (Although he's mainly for the delay). You should be able to make at least 1 row after Yomi's active, and usually 2, and that row is probably enhanced, which doesn't really make much difference.
U&Y TPA team: U&Y/ DL Yomi/ Wadatsumi/ Marine Rider/ X/ U&Y. The TPAs boost your attack to astronomical levels, and DL Yomi means that you can have the optimal board setup fr the most combos.
U&Y Healer team w/ TPA: U&Y/ U&Y/ DL Yomi/ Sun Quan/ Ulti Kushi/ U&Y U&Y is a great sub for himself if you're lucky enough to get 2. This team has tons of RCV, and over 15k HP, which is respectable.
So yeah, with such powerful teams, i don't get why everyone's saying U&Y is inferior to Kirin, I mean, U&Y can actually heal if they need to XD, Kirin requires at least 2 sets of Hearts to heal well, but U&Y healer teams really only need 1.
EDIT: I just realised than Sandalphon is 2x attack for healers, not 1.5, so he can be used in place of SQ as a farmable sub ^^.
What's the point of doing 10 mil damage on a 4 mil hp boss? What that tells me is you're sacrificing survivability and consistency for raw damage. The best team is the team that can do as much damage as needed when needed while having the most safety nets, hp, and rcv.
honestly both 25x leads are great. and druga will soon be welcomed to the team.
but seriously nate, calm down. this ult has a LOT of possibilities, and a healer sub type is fine.
You Kirin supporters are just overlooking the fact that your own teams don't all have Physical typing.
If you can dish out that much damage with two of your subs not getting the 75x, then UmiYama can easily do the same.
Haters going to hate.
I myself will definitely try to get the uvo once it's released, but I will be unable to base my team on healers.
Anyway, the point's a bit moot now that 7.2.2 will give Thorned Guardian a two-prong to replace her HP boost awakening, along with Dill Sirius arriving with a dual two-prong. There's even an extra back-up dark healer option (i.e. if you don't have Thorned Guardian or Dill Sirius) in Lightning Dark Tiamat now.
Divine Wardens, U&Y
DQXQ
Eternal Twin Stars, I&I
Batman + BW Stealth
Courageous Divine General, SQ
With an ally U&Y this build gets 5 water row enhances. Batman brings more TPA and a nice active that gives him 50x attack for one turn. I&I's active gives most of my team 37.5x attack for 3 turns! SQ provides delay and 50x attack for all healers for 2 turns! Ppl just need to find (or be lucky enough to roll) the right subs with good synergy. So many options and so much potential.
::::BEFORE THE UVO::::
I MATCH 2 x 4 ORB COMBOS AND HIS ATTACK MULTIPLIES TO X56.
OR 3 x 4 ORB COMBOS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT x84.
1.5x MORE FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL 4 ORB COMBO CLEAR. (WORKS FOR BOTH ATTRIBUTES).
SURE, KIRIN IS GREAT WITH THE GRAVITY... BUT!!!...
UMIYAMA ALL THE WAY GUYS...
AND NOW HE IS DOUBLE PRONGED, I MIGHT NOT NEED MY ZHUGE LIANG ANYMORE.... LOL
How are hunters healers????
they should be attackers.
Aho~!!! aho~!!! aho~!!! (japanese)
EDIT: Can't even use ADK either.