Armored Blade Dragon, Diagoldos
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7 By BreaKBeatZ#23994 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) People thinking about using him as a lead on an attack Amaterasu team are crazy. 3x attack multiplier won't matter in any tough dungeons, and 65% resistance just isn't enough. He's a decent sub for light/fire teams, but that's it. Odin is so much better than this guy for Ama teams, it's not even close. 3 I planned on getting down voted. It happens whenever I say a bad card is bad. Can't get Ama or Odin from REM? Fine, use Archangel and an Odin friend. 65% damage resistance means you take 75% more damage each turn compared to Odin (yes almost double damage). Attack Ama + this piece of crap = 2,510 hp healed per turn. Evolved Archangel + Odin friend = 5,800 hp healed per turn (yes over twice as much). Your other awakenings are also better. Do you really think 3x attack matters on a team designed to play safe gravity style? 3 So i do not understand why everyone feels the need to defend bad cards. this guy is bad, don't use him outside of the 1-2 niche spots where he's semi useful, assuming you lack something else that's vastly better. How many descends are put in the leader spot, well you mentioned ult hera and satan, how about ult hera ur? Zeus Olympios? Oh, and i'd like to introduce you to this one, http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1422 Don't tell me you haven't seen anyone using Athena. You are right though, higher end players, with few exceptions, don't use a lot of descends monsters all that often. It's all about the god fest stuff, and by rank 200-300, you should have plenty of options available. And here is a thought. If you say, don't have Grodin, then don't make a defensive team like that. Crazy, i know right? For example, lets say you want a match 3 color for multiplier team, like series one Chinese gods. BUT, you don't have Leilan, Meimei, Karin, or Haku. Here is what you do in that case. Don't make a three color 3.5x team. It's simple. Here is what do DO NOT do. Use this guy, http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=612 And claim he's just as good. 0 Nebradisk has higher % resistance and his dungeon technically isn't even a descend :/ -2 Not anymore. If you're still doing that, you're grossly out of date and need to start building real teams. -3 How many Descends are even put into the leader slot in the first place Ulted Heras? maybe a satan here and there? He is a solid sub for easy orbs stopping to think outside of leaders might do you some good. -6 XshinobiX#52265 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Obviously a special god is better than a descend, its because you can get it without IAP or being overly lucky during a godfest, not like everyone just HAS green odin you psycopath. 3 By Bryggyth#9817 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) It really bothers me that his main attribute is fire but his active skill spawns light orbs. Also, that leader skill is a weaker version of Nebradisk which was a weaker Odin... Lol. 1 barnard#7965 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) If you use Urd then this guy it gives (likely) Set a board to attack with. Lots of random can make things bad here, but sometimes you need to clear the board like when Beelzbub makes the whole thing poison. 0 good point; think about dungeons like samurai dragon or kanetsugu; this guy would give you the fire main attribute but still benefits attacker teams centered around light or just plain light teams. -1 Minori#44541 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) If multi-hits didn't exist this guy with Attackerasu friend would be amazing. He's still a decent sub for light attacker teams though. 2 By Low#40854 5 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) Totally a viable sub or co-leader on an Attackerasu team. Plus farmable and looks cool. People should Just chill. 2 By Fendeez PF#39446 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) I'm assuming this is Formula's sibling, seeing as Formula's main element is light but enhances fire orbs. Last edited by Fendeez PF 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 2 By Fausto#40736 5 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) REALLY wish this guy had a shorter AS CD i mean even 6 would maybe be acceptable.. This should be 4 or 5 tho. tthere's no heartbreaker for attacker apart from samurai goblin, no 5cd orb changer for light attackers... give us a break. His orb change isn't towards his main attribute, he doesnt have any row enhances. I don't think it would be overpowered in the slightest to shorten this CD Right!? -1 BiggestFan#65575 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) FYI The Angel 2 series "Ariel" is a 4-turn, 4 light orb spawner. She's also main Att light and attacker. However, she's REM only and has no skill up fodder in the US. 1 By Silveus#5988 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) His stats are okay, but nothing else seems great. Awoken skills are meh, Active skills is meh Leader skill is plain bad. His cost his high too. His art is cool though, gotta give him props there. I don't know, i have used anyone with the span random orbs type skill before, so i can't say if it's worth it. seems sorta wonky to me though. And that leader skill is plain crap. Vastly worst than green odin, who is in every other way superior or to this guy. also worse than nebredisk too, who's farmable. Now, if they made his leader skill say, 65% all damage reduction when HP is over 50%. That would be cool 1 yeah, his active isn't bad per se, it's just sorta lack luster and underwhelming 99% of the time. i'm sure it does have niche use, and skilled down to 7 (Assuming that's realistically possible) along with his decent stats, i could see him being used. It just doesn't "Wow" me is awakenings are the same, not bad, but now "wowing" me. if those were rows or tpas or something, then i'd be excited about him. I know team cost stops being relevant, but on a team for of ult evoed monsters, 50 cost might not be available. That said, i was mostly bringing up the point cost thing since i figured someone who is actually rank 300 or so wouldn't use this guy, he'd be more in the realm of rank 100's or so who don't exactly have better things. and they would find the cost to be pretty high. Anyway long story short, besides his leader skill which is awful, nothing else about him is bad per se, but nothing really stands out as awesome. i can't imagine i'd ever use hi outside of a few very specific niche scenarios. 0 blumeanie#34739 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Nah his active has a great niche. His active allows Meimei to use green Sonia, etc. Not near as good as Rei Sirius but still has uses. Last edited by blumeanie 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 0 nEpGeAr#33559 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) His active isn't bad, just really risky. On one hand, guaranteeing 5 good orbs is a blessing, but on the other, it being random could totally screw you over if it gets rid of heal or red orbs (his own main type). Team cost becomes less relevant as your rank increases, and his awakening pool is decent, just too small (an additional enhanced light orbs and TPA would do him justice). His leader skill, however, is really lacking, as so many dungeons nowadays completely demolish defense-oriented teams, hence why Green Odin and Lucifer teams are becoming less and less viable. 1 By OrbTrolled#29706 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) I wish dragons oculd have better RCV, if we don't count this as a negative point, I'd have one on my team. BTW... Why does a FIRE monster spawn 5 LIGHT orbs? lol. 1 By Pockets#66357 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Uevo plz 0 King Kazma#15985 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) I hardly think a uvo for this garbage would fix his stats.. unless they decide to completely reboot him before even considering an uvo. But this is all just my opinion 1 By ciski77#31021 5 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) He's literally only useful as a sub for Tsubaki. But he is GREAT for her. 0 By Bryan@PF/r#16881 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) This would actually work great on an Attackerasu team! ...However. That cost. 0 By nathan@N17#37737 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) So can we skip this trash and just get sonia grand instead? Seriously. Who gives a fück about this guy? Okay stats but mediocre awakenings, a super random active that only helps his sub element and a LS that is useful...oh wait no, he has no recovery or auto heals. If i ever run this it's for the berry dragon skill ups and the starter dragons. I'll sell this, i wouldn't even feed it to anything 0 By Shadow#27863 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Wouldn't even consider this a poor man's odin. This guy cost just 5 less then odin when nebra is 30 less and has a better LS 0 By Guest#57663 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Could be decent on an attacker Leilan / amaterasu team or on a fire dragon team paired with Uriel. (or even any random fire based team with Chiyome) 0 freudia#51025 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) The role it seems best suited to (at the moment) is a sub on an Ars Nova team. 0 By spin2win#26022 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) seems like they tried to make a pair for the new uvo Amaterasu. Is this going to be the next Grodin? hmmmm would be interesting to try 0 By lostone#28026 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) This guy has really great synergy with Vegeta teams.. Haku/Vegeta/This guy makes perfect board for Vegeta/Trunks. Attacker too! 0 By AbsentLnbx#48012 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Sweet! Dragon Emperor number 5 is now a reality! Or at least I hope that's who it is... Last edited by AbsentLnbx 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 0 By Xenthia Li#19061 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) So this is a possible replacement for the ever elusive GOdin that I will never get from the REM gods. This is a good solution and right in path with what Gungho has been doing more and more of. Personally I am looking forward to this card. 4 Bryggyth#9817 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Why not get a Nebradisk instead? Farmable, and its active skill allows it to switch to leader, so you don't even need it to be your leader going into the dungeon. Very useful in some situations, such as Legendary Earth if you want to grind it. 0 By Vermillion#13284 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Seem to be a good partner for Chiyome and Uriel tho especially the latter on dragon team. 0 By Dr. Psaroo#42667 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) The only point of this guy is to promote their new TCG, apparently https://twitter.com/hashtag/padtcg?src=hash 0 By Mr Wiggles#26061 5 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) Awesome stegodragon art! Too bad his LS is instantly obsolete, Nebradisk is better and has been around for a year already 0 By Walrus#33273 5 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) I don't think he's bad as a sub. Granted his "Awoken" could be much better (Row Enhance, more Skill Boost, TPA) and his leader skill is eclipsed even by Nebradisk's, but changing 5 orbs plus enhancement in a 7 turn CD can be very useful, certainly more than other orb enhancing actives with much higher CD. 0 By Firenmage#50137 5 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) should def be 5 turn cd, not even dat gewd why nerf to 7 lol. 0 By Hero#47502 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Awesome art, great name, awoken skills aren't bad either, and I like the active as I've been using the grimoire series 2-orb spawn to great effect lately. Only gripe is the leader skill, which is outclassed by the already-in-game Nebradisk. I think a 65% reduction at 70%-80% above full would bring this dragon up to par with the other useless descend dragons, but I know as well as anyone that this page isn't connected to Gungho in any way. 0 Chris#60720 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) I think you're forgetting that the Grimoires' actives also enhance orbs and their max cooldowns are 5 turns. This guy's is 5 random light, no enhance, 7 turns. Basically worse on all levels. 0 By Guest#73333 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) a poor man's version of nebradisk. lol. 6 mccool37#4389 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Who is in turn a poor mans version of Grodin. So this guy is basically a bankrupt version of Grodin. 0 By Eau Know#70268 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) I am one hundred percent in support of ads to keep this website running... but these video adds keep forcing me back to the top of the page until the video ends... and then occasionally another starts so I don't have time to read comments and what not.. 0 Erland#38478 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Doesn't happen to me, I'm using Chrome. Maybe browser settings have a way to stop them from playing automatically? 0 By Tanga#12116 5 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) I plan on keeping one in case he becomes part of some ultimate dragon, like the (very useful!) Swallowtail that used all those Insect Dragons. As a sub or leader though, no way. He lets through 35% of damage (versus Nebradisk's 25% and GrOdin's 20%) *and* he has a weak active *and* mostly-useless awakenings *and* takes 5,000,000 to max! His stats aren't horrible for an attacker, but a high attack without a TPA must now be considered weak. 0 By Snocean#87259 4 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) Why is this dragon so useless? he got he active skill backwards and he can't be fed to anyone for ultimate evo. Lol -2 By aszma#31409 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) Called puzzles and dragons All badass looking dragons are useless All boarderline lolicon/pornagraphic looking girls are the best in the game (Kali,bastet,chines gods,sopdet,list goes on forever) 6 msg4leader#63464 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) yo my boy kagu and viper orochi are actual dragons now in their ult form 2 -Striku-#37071 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) List of dragons that can make your first statement invalid: Fagan (L/L) Canopus (Guan Yu's best sub) Zaerog Hador Avalon Drake Wangren (Gaia/Tengu killer and great sub if used well) CDK ADK Late bloomer dragons (trifruit form) I can still keep going Wee jas Orochi Chester (skill bind resists) Top Droidragon Yamato Freyr and the Dragon Ball Z series! You may think I'm just listing dragons, but these dragons show great potential when used correctly. Last edited by -Striku- 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) 1 nathan@N17#37737 5 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) Sopdet is the best in the game?.....where the hell have i been 0 Then what would you consider best in the game? kali, Sakuya, Durga, Athena, sonia? I can name a bunch of girl cards that would be considered "best in the game" by most people of corse there are guy ones too but the majority are what i described above and i can see from the dislikes there are a bunch of butt hurt perverts that are mad at me 0 Why'd you exclude D/L Fagan? :( One of my fav monsters. 0 Hey FORWEGJPN, before you tell someone ro "learn to spell," it might be a good idea to know that the word "none" is singular and uses a singular verb. "None" is a shortened way of saying "not one." "None (not one) of the cards you listed is 'best in the game' except maybe Kali." -2 First of I ment actual dragon (going of the art work) dudes like fagan, yamato, and ADK dont count also compared to ronia, kali, and sakuya they arnt great and lastly everyone here is taking my comment way to seriously It was just ment to be a little ironic lol didnt even think id get more then one reply -3 forwegjpn#52808 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) None of the cards you listed are "best in the game" except maybe Kali. Also, learn to spell. -3 By goku#48494 5 years ago ( 7.2.3 ) People are so stupid rating him down him plus Dancing Flame, Amaterasu Ohkami equals unstoppable. Yeah sure his active is lame and his art work looks like a metal dinosaur but who cares he is so awesome and I would love him in my team. |
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A row, column, or even a fresh diagonal Light orb spawn would have been instantly better, and let's not get into the useless LS.
Like Fagan!...who's just an old guy with horns...
...Or RGY!...who's another old guy...
...Or Awoken Minerva!...who's at least a hot chick...
...Or Vegeta!...you get the idea.
1. Canopus (Good Guan Yu sub. Use Avalon Drake, then Graviton Earth Dragon, and then Canopus for an easy shiny board.)
2. Folklore: If you go to his page, you'll know why
3. Fruit dragons: Used if you feel the toy dragons aren't enough
These dragons are very useful as long as you have a strategy set up
A column is amazing, because it's a super easy pre-made TPA. Rei and Dill sirus are useful for that reason. Even if you're not running a tpa team, a column is still a mass attack.
on the other hand, 5 random orbs is borderline useless, unless you get lucky and they form into a group f five or into a tpa. Imagine how awful it would be if they spawned in the 4 corners, and the last in the middle? Or if they spawned over you only heart orbs preventing a heal, or since this guy is primarily red, if they spawned over your red orbs. You would not run this guy on a team that requires certain colors, Chinese gods, U&Y, Durga, Kirin, because he can wipe out one of your import colors.
And to make him even worse, He starts at a 15 turn cool down, and only drops to 7. Worse than Dill and Rei, worse than the heart breakers, worse than the new series of heart breakers, worse than the mystic knights.
And his skill has no more synergy with another orb changer than a monster that makes a column would. You pop him, get 5 light orbs, then use valk, and your hearts become light too, vs, you use rei, get a column of 5, then use valk, and get more light orbs. Sure, the column might over rid some heart orbs, but so will his random placement of orbs. And if you are planning on using a column skill and then a heart breaker, then on the turn before, make sure you don;'t stash all your hearts where that column will be.
Fact of the matter here is, this guy sucks, his active is trash, 5 random, off color orbs is crap. His awakenings aren't great, and his leader is a joke, it's way worse than Grodin, and he's already super situational.
If his active mad a column, he'd still suck, but he'd be slightly better.
They work when you need a few more orbs, period. If I pop meimei, aiming for a tpa board, I can't use an orb changer. I'll get too many orbs. +5 orbs is a very comfortable number of orbs that will pretty much always get me 1 more tpa in my combo if I need it. Osiris works very much the same way! Except sometimes I get like 6 wood orbs and most of the wood orbs are in the right column anyway...
I'm also completely confused why you assume you would use this BEFORE your other orb changers. You use it AFTER your other orb changers, like you use this AFTER valkyrie, and you get exactly heart orbs + 5 light orbs. There is *NO* overlap. There's *NEVER* overlap if you use it last.
The biggest problem.. is that he's fire and generates 5 light orbs. it's a fine active.. on the wrong creature. And yeah this guy has terrible awakenings, terrible leader skill, terrible typing, but his active is ok.. JUST NOT ON HIM.
Edit:
So I figured out a use for it; Goemon active (leader), Red orb enhance active, Diagoldos Active.
This skill is an "any color converter" and that is incredibly great but with a condition, you have first to convert other colors and to have 5 or less orbs of your wanted color to convert.
So the real reason why his skill is not good is because of his lack of raw awakening for the last nuke and the total joke it's light orb instead of fire orbs.
Not the absolute most optimal team for such an awesome leader, I'd probably throw a couple attackers in there like ars nova; but there... For all those complaining about dragons and diagoldos... There you go... An end game capable dragon team for you... That uses diagoldos!
Dragon Shogun (leader, lv 87, 84 +eggs)
ForestBahn ( Sub, lv 74, 4 +eggs)
Hurricane Volcano Dragon (Sub, lv 77, 20 +eggs)
Water Samurai dragon, Kenshin (Sub, lv 73, 7 +eggs)
Yellow Sky Fruirt, Lemon Dragon (Sub, lv max, 11 +eggs)
Eternal Jade Dragon Caller, Sonia ( friend leader, lv 83, 135 +eggs)
Everything in this team is fully Awoken.
Sonia at least looks like a half dragon.
I just think they should put out a few sets of monsters that actually look like dragons, and are also good. there's no reason why an effect like the chinese series gods (Match 3 specific colors) couldn't be plopped on a dragon type monster.
A column is 5 orbs.
This generates 5 orbs.
It's not as easy to use, maybe, but this is going to get you more orbs on average especially when you put other orb changers into the mix.
I suppose that would be the one area where his skill is superior to a column of row.
As for using meimei, i assume you're talking about an athena team. Rarely, very rarely do i use meimei, and get a bored with 4-7 light orbs, in other words, only enough for one tpa, but also have the rest be all dark orbs, so i also can't pop verche. I do run Rei Sirius for that specific reason though.
That said, i think over all, you'd do better with a board thats 80% light because you used verch+meimei, than using this guy and mei mei.
In suppose, it might be worthwhile on occasion, but i wont hold by breath.
The 2 things i still want to address though, are first...
A column is still going to be better 99% of the time. If you don't have sirius, then this guy is an acceptable replacement, but a row is still almost always preferable, except in the limited circumstances where your light orbs, or other orbs that your are going to change into light orbs, are under the spots where the row will appear. In all other cases, the row or column is superior.
And two
His active still sucks. 15 turns for 5 heal orbs is crap.
Fuma (Ninja), Verche, and Sirius all start at 9. Valk starts at 11.
all of them can go down to 5.
This guy only goes down to 7.
5 Light orbs scattered around every 7 turns is just not worth it.
further, to max skill this guy takes more effort than the others. he needs more skill ups to be maxed, and while his dungeon doesn't seem too hard, you're still wasting 50 stamina each time for a 20% chance at skill up.
True, you'll be doing the same for Sirius, but at least his skill only needs 4 as oppose dto 8 skill ups.