Awoken Viper Orochi

I doubt anyone who can make this ult will have problems farming weekend dungeon.

It's HP/ATK/RCV, referring to the multipliers of each (Just not sure on the order of HP and RCV)

A 2/4/2 team means one leader boosts HP and ATK by 2 and the other one boosts RCV and ATK by 2 (resulting in 4x ATK)

@Meta You could literally use an oldschool 2/4/2 team and be fine.

Sorry, noob question here. What's that number/number/number thing mean? I've played other games, and the only thing that came close was kills/deaths/assists

new leader when coin farming. blue with green sub and prtects from 1 hit kills you somtime have happen to you when farming coins

I'd like to point out, you can add attack plus eggs.

I called it. Except I didn't think that the hp would be that high

6328.125 damage for 4 orbs. 5 Enhance Tamas make it 7593.75. Per. Monster. For 4. Try 2 sets of 4, 1500*5.0625*5.0625 = 38443.359375. This is before leader skills.

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If you cant get a tpa you are either a noob (and will get better) or you just suck (and should consider playing candy crush)

In other words, he's only as powerful as the player is skilled at setting up TPAs.

My reaction is that I wouldn't want to use dual Awoken Orochi's to lead, since you only get the resolve LS skill once anyway. I would probably pair with Skuld and put as many B/G monsters on the team as possible. That would give you high rcv that would allow you to cheese dungeons that don't have a large number of multihits. You can survive forever as long as you can heal to at least 50% of your rcv after every hit, which shouldn't be difficult to do with Skuld's rcv multiplier.

don't forget apex

Was just thinking that myself. Pair my Awoken Bastet with this dude for those annoying times when there are huge preemptives. Since he is green he still gets her boost and his boost is not color dependent. Just have to watch out for the loss of poison and skill block awakenings.

It's not just the ratios though. Unless you're stalling out status ailments or waiting for skills to return from cooldown, you should be able to kill an enemy in 2-3 turns max. 5 turn delay is usually overkill, even 4 turn is pushing it.

So, if you accept that anything over 3 turns of delay is usually a waste, really what you're looking at is a reduction in cooldown on the delay which is, of course, awesome.

You don't need it.

4 and 5 turn delays are straight over kill. Awoken Orochi active is actually super weak. Long long CD and status shields are abundant. If it had a haste component it would be much better but as it is now it's very lackluster

Regular Orochi
5 turn delay with 25 turn cool down

No Skill Ups
5 to 25 ratio which equals 0.2 turn delay per 1 turn cool down

Max Skill
5 to 20 ratio which equals 0.25 turn delay per 1 turn cool down


Awoken Orochi
4 turn delay with 19 turn cool down

No Skill Ups
4 to 19 ratio which equals 0.21 turn delay per 1 turn cool down

Max Skill
4 to 15 ratio which equals 0.27 turn delay per 1 turn cool down


Just for fun
Echidna
3 turn delay for 15 turn cool down

No Skill Ups
3 to 15 ratio which equals 0.2 turn delay per 1 turn cool down

Max Skill
3 to 10 ratio which equals 0.3 turn delay per 1 turn cool down

You're missing something a little bit important - larger delays let you get skills back up.

For example, if you burst kill a boss, then delay the next boss with echidna, your 5 turn skills will not come back up before they get to attack. with a 4 turn delay, they will.

Further example, if you burst a boss on a neptune dragon team, you can hit a 4 turn delay, and two neptune dragons, and you'll have 9 turn skills back up (skuld + water valk, summer urd + andromeda, andromeda + water valk, etc).

With a turn 5 delay and a single neptune dragon, you can get andromeda + water valk back up.

Both are good though.

Not sure if they increased A Orochi's hp since this post but +297 and 5 hp latents would be (1 + 0.015*5)*5090 + 990 = 6462 hp.

Just giving him +700 attack would also put his weighted stat total to 903.00, above even the (quite broken) Vegito, though. That's a little much for a 3pronger.

As is, he gives 2165 (!) more hp than Liu Bei, and only has 101 less rcv - weighted, that's a 182.84 stat advantage for Orochi, and that's ignoring the fact he actually hits harder when fully plussed. The 'you must TPA' caveat he's tagged with is an interesting way to balance his insane effective stats, IMO.

If they do need to buff him, I hope they fix his skill. 11 turns + 1 haste would be so much more attractive, even if it were a 2 or even 1 turn delay.

Yeah, sure. And then you'd have to lose *1400* HP to balance his stats out. I'm not willing to trade 1400 HP for an extra utility awaken.

4 tpa is 5.0625, his hp is great in addition to that, and his rcv looks very skuldable to me. I like the look of this guy.

true didnt really think about it too much when i replied to eric was just trynna get the general point across

He puts out almost the same damage as liu bei (little bit more, even).

He has 1000 attack. Liu bei has 1700. In other words, that one tpa is worth about 700 attack.

yea and what im saying is that if he had 1700 base attack instead and only 3 tpas with the forth being replaced by some other awakening he would be way better

TPAs affect the whole team don't they?

But Sakuya is the best ;)

Just slightly, and if you take Vishnu's sub attribute into account, the total damage dealt by Vishnu would be slightly higher than him if only main attribute are matched.

Cannot delay the same monster twice without getting hit. For example, if an enemy is on a 2-turn timer and you delay 4 turns, you have to wait 6 turns, then get hit, and delay again.

At the moment, he would only be situational at best. Lakshmi can already stall through everything with her massive HP+RCV multiplier+drains+army of heart makers. Besides that, Lakshmi is still heavily row-based due to her ideal subs leaning that way. He's worth a slot if you don't have cards with better actives but, far from being great.

Amaterasu, Orochi, Susano, and Kaguya for that matter.

Umi doesn't have a delay does he? Did you mean Orochi? Also, I know that she wasn't out when you made this post but Scheat would make an excellent addition to this team if you had her

Most of them do. An Awoken evolution's tying is completely dependent on its materials. Hence why Haku randomly become God/Healer and Karin randomly has Attacker type. Materials however have no say on attributes, just typing. Awoken Parvati and Lakshmi still preserve their god typing for example.

Actually they do. The main/sub attributes are always determined by the materials, albeit at random. Parvati pairs the Wood of Cauchemar with the Wood of Cu Chu, while Lakshmi pairs the Water of Noah with the Water of Buster Siegfried.

Triple typing will fix this. Eventually.

Awoken Parvati is a devil...

Triple Typing is only suitable for Super-Ultimate-Evolutions.
And Awoken-Evolution is different from Super-Ultimate-Evolution.

The (only) examples of Super-Ultimate are the 5 Valkyries, Kirin (Sakuya), Umisachi+Yamasachi and Kushinadahime.

I don't see Triple Typing for Awoken Gods anytime soon.

Would it be crazy to transfer hatsumis dark to water? She is max skilled on my A Laskshmi team (one of my two strongest teams). Once I get Orochi to his Awoken evo, she is the card I have to replace to include A Orochi. Thoughts?

Nah dude, you'll be losing Orochi's main role: Delay.

I kinda don't like giving "key units" an extra skill, unless it's a duplicate/similar skill. If you give Orochi an Orb Change skill, you'll be missing out on a Delay if you wait it out too long. This could very well determine your fate in a crucial part during your runs.

Examples of "Key Units":
Orochi for Delay
Awoken Sun Quan for Delay + Burst
Awoken Isis for Bind Clear and Damage Reduction
Awoken Indra for Damage Reduction
D.Kali for Whole Board Change
Awoken Ra for Defense-Ignoring Nuke

If you happen to roll duplicates of these units, I'd suggest inheriting their own respective Skill. This gets rid of the need to give them Skill-Delay Resist Latents! Either that, or you could give them a skill that's similar or similarly-superior (is that a thing) to theirs. An example would be giving D.Kali the skill of Ichigo, since Ichigo has an additional Time Extend. That's if you have a dupe Ichigo lol.

But I guess, in the end, it's up to the player's team and playstyle. If you really think your team needs an additional orb changer at the risk of losing your Delay, then Hatsume wouldn't be a bad choice. But I highly suggest that you keep your Orochi as is!